| The Editor as Leader — Part 1
Published: December 31, 1998
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The Editor as Leader — Part 1
Tuesday afternoon, March 31
Edward W. Jones, The Free Lance-Star, Fredericksburg, Va., presiding:
We want to welcome you to the 75th annual convention of the American Society
of Newspaper Editors. I’m Ed Jones, the managing editor of the Free Lance-Star
in Fredericksburg, Va., and your convention program chair.
As I was telling our board earlier in the day, I may be the first program
chair to be allergic to cherry blossoms. But I found out this week that
I am allergic. As most of you know, the cherry blossoms are in full bloom.
So when you see those tears streaming down my face this week, you’ll know
it’s not because of some crisis in the program, it’s because of the cherry
blossoms. Or, I should say, it’s not necessarily because of some crisis
in the program.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, over the next three days we will be focusing
on leadership for editors during critical times for newspapers and on media
credibility as ASNE launches major multiyear initiatives to address this
most fundamental of issues. Along the way, we will also be celebrating
great writing. And there’s much more to our program. I hope you’ve noticed
it already. I’ll be telling you about it a bit later this afternoon.
But now, befitting our first guest — who is perhaps the world’s pre-eminent
authority on time management — we must get going because we have time constraints.
Stephen Covey, the author of "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People"
and more recently, "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families," is a best-selling
author and leadership consultant who has become a true phenomenon.
Father of nine, grandfather of 27 and counting, this is a man who plans
quality time with his family two years in advance. Many of us are lucky
even to know who are families are going to be two years in advance. Indeed,
Mr. Covey has to rush out of here in about 50 minutes to catch a flight
to Salt Lake City for one of those appointed times with children.
Now, you know his track record. "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People"
has sold more than 12 million copies in 28 languages and in 40 countries.
A recent survey by Chief Executive magazine named the book one of the two
most influential business books of the 20th century. Apparently, there
is no truth, by the way, to the rumor that the other book was "50 Ways
to Improve Your Golf Game."
When he’s not conducting seminars for AT&T, Coca-Cola and General
Motors, Dr. Covey is talking to groups like ours about being proactive,
beginning with the end in mind, putting first things first, thinking win-win,
seeking first to understand then to be understood, my favorite — synergizing
— and refreshing yourself physically and mentally.
Dr. Covey has been well briefed by ASNE member Wendy Zomparelli of the
Roanoke (Va.) Times about the leadership stresses and challenges facing
editors these days. How do you set aside time for long-range planning?
How do you plan a workday around the truly important? The answers may lie
within ourselves, but we could sure use some help from the world’s pre-eminent
expert.
Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Stephen Covey.
Remarks by Stephen Covey
Let me first of all practice habit two — begin with the end in mind.
I have two purposes. One to communicate the power of leadership over management.
Most people are literally buried in management. I am persuaded that the
more leadership they provide, the less management they need to give. The
second point is to try to show that leadership saves time. It takes some
time initially up front, but once you get the whole spirit and concept
of leadership going, it saves time.
You almost have to have experience — and I’m sure many of you do as
leaders of your newspapers — before you come to realize this. I’ll also
show that all over the world the leaders of great organizations spend their
time basically doing leadership work, not management work. Now, it took
a period of time to make the transition from operational management more
and more toward leadership, but they have paid that price, and now they
are reaping the rewards that come from creating that culture.
Let me begin by asking you to join in a little exercise for a second.
Just close your eyes, and without any peeking at all, everybody point north,
but do not peek. Make your own best guess and point north. Keep pointing.
Open your eyes and see where people are pointing. I haven’t the foggiest
notion myself which way is north.
Let’s go to the experts — those who are absolutely convinced which way
is north. All those who are that convinced, raise your hands for a second.
Only two people in the room? Only two? Three? Four? OK, would you stand
up, you people with your hands up for a second? We want to watch you! You
four people close your eyes. Point north. OK, look where people are pointing.
If you’re only off one degree between here and Jerusalem, you’ll end up
in Moscow.
But basically, they are in agreement. You can usually go with the majority
of the experts. Oftentimes, there is profound disagreement between so-called
experts who are absolutely convinced they know.
Now, if you want to have another interesting experience, after you finish
your convention, go to maybe 10, 20 people and just say to them, "In a
word, what is the purpose of our newspaper? What is the central strategy
in accomplishing that purpose?" Just ask the people that question. If you
really have courage, go home and ask your spouse and your kids what the
purpose of the family is, and just see what they say. I do this all the
time, and I’ve done it with the executive cabinets of the Fortune 100.
It’s very, very much like this experience in pointing north. Literally.
People are shocked by it. You think that is our central purpose? That’s
our mission? How could you possibly? I mean, look at the mission statement!
Boy, we all know what that is. It’s a PR statement. Just see what they
say the real mission is. I’m telling you, it will be a shocking experience.
I suggest leadership, the essence of it, is to get a culture behind
a common direction. That is, so that everyone, in a sense, has the same
purpose or mission and has a similar vision and a similar set of values.
Purpose is what you are. Vision is what you want to become — how you see
yourself in the future in a few years. Values represent your behavior —
how you want to behave to accomplish that. I’m convinced that if people
and organizations will pay the price to develop such a mission statement,
and if it comes out of the bowels where everyone is involved — they feel
ownership in this thing — so that there is a sense of criteria in people’s
heads that is the same everywhere — that essentially represents what leadership
is.
That doesn’t mean that it’s done, because it takes constant attention.
But you will find that the management function becomes altogether changed
and transformed. It becomes significantly reduced. The focus shifts to
people managing themselves within that larger framework more and more and
more.
The culture begins to develop mores or norms within itself surrounding
those values. The culture begins to become its own disciplinary force.
The great sociologist, Durkheim, put it, "When mores are sufficient, laws
are unnecessary. When mores are insufficient, laws are unenforceable."
To create that kind of culture behind a common vision, I suggest, is
the essence of leadership.
Now, there’s one other dimension on this compass business — and by the
way, under my watch is a compass. The experts were correct: It’s this direction.
Every compass has an indicator pointing north. There’s also another indicator.
It’s called the direction of travel arrow. So if you want to go east, you
would first of all find where north is and then go 90 degrees east, south,
and west, and so forth.
We have done this in every conceivable kind of organization in 40 different
countries. If enough people interact freely and synergistically, and people
are informed in an environment of high trust, they almost always come up
with the same value system. That value system usually involves the economic
side because people need to survive. You feel the commercial pressure of
the bottom line, the pressure of your publisher, and all the demands that
are placed upon you. But that isn’t necessarily the central purpose. If
you’re really becoming a watchdog in the community and you help institutions
become responsible and people be responsible, informing the community becomes
another very central value. When people interact back and forth in discussing
their values, they fall into the economic; the social, how people treat
each other — with respect, with kindness, and so forth; the mental, how
people are developed and used or empowered; and the spiritual side, which
has to do with purpose — what contribution, what value and integrity you
add to society.
What we find, regardless of the organization — regardless of the level
in the organization, whether you’re dealing with an executive cabinet or
a crew of janitors, and regardless of the country they are in (different
ethnicities, religions, cultures, and so forth) is that they almost always
come up with the same underlying value system in these four areas: To live,
to love, to learn, to leave a legacy. These are the four areas — I’m just
giving words to these areas — but they almost inevitably describe them.
To live is the physical, economic. It deals with the whole value of
fairness, of security. To love has to do with relationships — kindness,
respect. To learn is the development and use of talent. To leave a legacy
is to develop meaning and integrity. The fire within happens when you have
all four overlapping. The more people feel involved in the process, the
more all four will be expressed — inevitably they’ll be expressed. It begins
to develop inside that culture — the mores and the norms focused on principles.
As this happens, slowly — and the process is as important as the product
— you begin to see the focus of management responsibility turning more
and more to people. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a role for management.
There is. But more and more that is taken over by other people, and by
people themselves exercising simple, more responsible behavior within the
context of these criteria.
Then you have to set up a system to monitor it. You set the example
as the editor, but everyone is responsible and accountable for this. You
know how vital your function is in society, and you want to make that function
even more attractive, effective and desirable.
Do you have in your organization your function? It’s a good question
to ask yourself. I’ve worked with many different newspaper organizations
and find very few have this defined, so there is an enormous amount of
independency, not interdependency, and a lot of dependency and blaming
and victimism. To move from dependency, which is the lowest level where
there’s a lot of blaming and victimism and so forth, to independency and
then to interdependency is a process that takes time and patience and persistence.
To be proactive means basically to take responsibility, to get out of
victimism. "Begin with the end in mind" is developing a vision and a value
system. Living by it means you hold yourself accountable and responsible
and that there’s an information system set up so that all stakeholders
share information with the group. So everyone is accountable.
You will find that people who are really flaky and irresponsible and
are not really pulling their own oar, will not feel comfortable in this
situation. They’ll turn negative, they’ll try to create some form of collective
resistance for a period of time, but eventually the mores and the norms
will make it so uncomfortable that they will leave.
That doesn’t mean that you won’t have diversity. You’ll have a lot of
differences and diversity because when you have a principle-centered kind
of culture based on fundamental principles like the ones we’ve mentioned,
it allows much more diversity. And synergy, where the whole is greater
than the sum of its parts, is the fruit of that diversity.
Putting first things first basically means that you organize in such
a way as to accomplish that mission. You don’t just say, "We value interdependence."
You gather information to demonstrate that you have interdependence and
particularly try to create the team spirit among your own staff and that
everyone has feedback from everyone who surrounds them.
Let me just give an illustration. To some degree, this is like your
function in society. Everybody is accountable 360 degrees to the boss (if
your boss is the publisher, you would receive feedback from that source),
peers, self, and direct reports. On the left, this is essentially the level
of perceived satisfaction — this stands for the emotional bank account
— EBA. In other words, it’s like a financial bank account into which you
make deposits and can take withdrawals. PPC balance stands for performance
and performance capability. In other words, you don’t just want a short-term
golden egg. You want to keep the health and welfare of the goose strong.
Then the seven habits.
But this is an illustration of a feedback mechanism. The editor could
do it on himself or herself as an example. The first step of leadership
is that no one is exempt from this. Just as you hold the president of the
United States accountable to his tasks and to the Constitution, no one
is exempt. I could take you to many organizations where CEOs do this on
themselves. For all of us to take that responsibility so that we look at
ourselves, genuinely, using the insights of other people, respect for other
people would be useful. It stirs up the desire for other people to do the
same thing. Gradually, little by little, you create this kind of culture
that is really nurtured through norms and mores around principles.
Now, I want to give a little illustration of what I’m talking about
here. This is a company in South Africa that has cultivated this kind of
leadership. It’s a multibillion dollar organization. The chairman and CEO
is one of our facilitators in South Africa. He actually facilitates this
in many organizations as well as his own. His feeling about the role of
leadership and teaching in that role is so strong that he spends several
days a month teaching this material. He’s the third person who speaks here
in this little video.
Here’s the situation: They’re opening up a brand-new store called Number
One. It’s a new brand. The day they open, with all the hoopla of a big
opening, come the fruit and vegetable sellers right in front of the store
selling their wares, blocking the street, messing up the street, and so
forth. And it’s on the store’s property. What would you do?
You see, legally you could throw them off. Yet some of them have been
a lot longer than you upon that property. They feel like they own it. What
would you do? Are they stakeholders? Would you normally consider them stakeholders?
Usually, we think the stakeholders are shareholders, and your customers
are your readers. Then your staff, your journalists, your reporters, your
suppliers. Who would you consider to be the stakeholders of a retail store?
Would you consider the street people to be stakeholders? One of the problems
in South Africa in retailing is thievery. Sometimes it’s very, very high,
like 8 percent. Well, those who know retailing know that net is usually
about 1 or 2 percent.
What if you could get the mores and norms inside your culture and inside
the stakeholders? Who knows the thieves better than the street people?
You know, what if you could get them behind you? What could happen? This
is an illustration of leadership where management gets taken over by other
people who begin to live by those mores and those norms. It’s a very interesting
story. Let’s watch this for a minute.
Video presentation
Voice: We were faced really with two choices. One of the choices
was to get him off the pavement and to have a very well, neatly presented
store, which is really the ideal. Now, the normal thing is to go to the
municipality, go to the city council, and complain and fight them and chase
him away and do all of those kinds of things.
Voice: But we wouldn’t really be gaining much out of it. Because
he’s been around for so long, these guys know the area — they’ve probably
got customers that have been coming here for 20 years. By getting him off
the pavement, we would be getting the customer off the pavement as well.
Voice: I go to their customers. They go to my customers.
Voice: There’s no doubt that we could really swat them like flies.
But is that smart? Are you going to wipe him out by your superior infrastructure,
your superior systems, your better cash flows? Or are you going to find
a way of working with him? And this particular young fellow who is responsible
for the launch of this store walks straight into the problem by confronting
it and saying to the workers, "How do we work a situation in which you
can trade better and we can trade better?"
Voice: So what we tried to do is to get into a situation where
we came to an agreement with him. In that he would keep his store nice
and tidy. We’ve given him utensils and a broom to actually keep the pavement
clean. We’ve given him a little bit of space in the alleyway.
Voice: We’ve got a good understanding because at the same time
they protect our store. And we, in turn, have given them some space where
they can advertise their fruit products.
Voice: I can store my stuff there. We help each other, see?
Voice: And that’s fundamental to the future of this country.
If we don’t get that right then we’re going to perpetuate the old apartheid
regime with some sort of economic warfare. We gave them caps proudly proclaiming
that they were members of the Number One Team. They call and shout and
cajole shoppers to come and shop with us. To share our piece of the sidewalk.
Voice: But either way we want to keep Number One’s name on top.
Voice: This is added to him. This is added to his business. He’s
getting a position probably which is the most prominent position because
of the new store in a very old town. We’re gaining by getting his customers
into the store.
Voice: If anyone bad comes into the store, they give us a tip-off.
Voice: So because of that he keeps the bad element out of the
store. He has really added to the safety of the staff and to the environment.
Voice: We’ve just got a wonderful relationship.
Voice: We do our cloth selling inside, and they sell bananas
and apples outside. We’re both doing very well. It’s a lovely story of
what can happen if you open your mind to that possibility.
Covey: Colin Hall, the last gentleman who was speaking, and I were
presenting this to the Young Presidents’ Organization. I was giving the
brief part, and he was telling what he was doing in his business. Half
the people in the audience were Afrikaners — very affluent people — but
they’re struggling now because of the new world economy, the new country,
the release of many of the sanctions and so forth. They were asking, "How
did you do this, Colin? How did you empower people?"
He was describing this leadership thing that I’m talking about. He had
just never taken the role of a leader. And they kept pushing him. "But
what did you do personally?" He basically said, "I had to get apartheid
out of my heart." He had deep within him the sense of what people can and
cannot do. He had labels on them. He didn’t involve them in the processes.
Once he started involving them sincerely, he started to discover this tremendous
wealth of resourcefulness and initiative and capability that he had not
realized before. Apartheid there is on the basis of race, but it could
be on the basis of position or educational attainment, economic standing,
whatever. There are so many criteria people can use to create this feeling.
Now, where did he get the time for this kind of leadership? We studied
the top organizations in the world that have won the Deming prize — one
of the most coveted, prestigious prizes — to see where their executives
are spending their time. There are four basic quadrants. Quadrant 1 is
important and urgent. Quadrant 2 is important, but not urgent. That’s where
they were spending their time. This is the leadership quadrant. The other
organizations were spending time in quadrant 3, that which is urgent but
not important. Fifty-five to 60 percent of their time. In comparison, Deming
prize winners were spending 15 percent of their time in quadrant 3. Quadrant
4 are essentially washes — unimportant and not urgent.
The critical thing is defining urgency and importance. Until you have
a common criterion in people’s minds and hearts, you cannot differentiate
between the two. And you will gradually be driven by quadrant 3. When I
work directly with people, they identify about half of their activities
as urgent. But when really put to the test against their own criteria,
they are not important.
Someone just commented that because of the nature of the newspaper business,
you often neglect quadrant 2.
I agree with that. And once you’re aware of that tendency, you have
to take steps to compensate for it. I would discuss exactly what you just
said with your own staff, and see if they can identify what things you’re
doing now that are urgent but not important, because little by little people
get addicted to the urgent. They really do.
Charles Hummel said, "The important task rarely must be done today or
even this week. The urgent task calls for instant action. The momentary
appeal of these tasks seems irresistible and important, and they devour
our energy." You live in a world of constant deadlines, 24-hour, minute-by-minute
deadlines. But "in the light of time’s perspective their deceptive prominence
fades. With a sense of loss we recall the vital task we’ve pushed aside.
We realize we have become slaves to the tyranny of the urgent."
Many will behave that way. The question is, "What is your role?" You’re
the editor. Should you get caught up in that culture of urgency to the
point that you neglect leadership, and therefore have to spend more and
more time doing management? If so, you will have a very difficult time
managing the struggle between your commercial role as a business person
and your professional role as a journalist. Someone has to step aside and
say, "I’m going to provide leadership." In fact, one man told me that he
started providing leadership because he was in an oil company in the Northwest.
He said, "It was the hardest thing! I went through withdrawal pains because
I was so addicted to the urgent. And everyone around me did, too, because
I wasn’t as accessible — and I thought accessibility was key. But I said
to myself, ‘If I don’t do it, who will?’ And I concluded, ‘No one would.’"
This takes real courage and persistence. He said, "Over a period of
many months, I started providing leadership. Today, our business is totally
different. Our quality has gone up in very significant ways. We’re selecting
more of what we want to focus on. The criteria are built more and more
into people’s hearts and minds."
Now, you may be deep into leadership, so you may already know this.
But you could be buried by management, quadrants 1 and 3.
Other questions?
That’s a great question to raise to your staff. How would you handle
that? What do you do to reserve time for quadrant 2?
You know the particular realities of your situation. They do too. They’ll
come up with answers. They are very creative. I don’t deny the fact that
you live in a deadline encased environment, and the pressures that you’re
under. I know that! But they know that, too! In the long run, you’ll save
time by focusing on leadership. It takes more time initially. I acknowledge
that.
It’s like a family where both parents are working, and they never develop
a family mission statement, which really would mean they are really still
present in the hearts and minds of their children. But they never did the
leadership work. Then they have to do the management work or get someone
else to do the management work. Then when the teen-age period comes along,
they often have very unhappy comeuppances because they never paid the price
of developing a mission statement. They never got their priorities straight.
This takes a lot of private work inside one’s own heart to cultivate. In
fact, the private victory always precedes this public victory.
Other questions?
Is a leader a group person or a solitary individual? I find it so different
in different environments — in different cultures. But I’ve come to believe
that vision is usually more of a solitary thing, but values are more group
oriented. It’s usually just two or three people who have a particular vision.
If they are identified with because of their example and the quality of
the relationship they have with other people, then people will go along
with the vision. If they participate in developing the values and there’s
a system that holds people accountable to those values, including the chief
person, then they see integrity in the system.
So there can be very individualistic personality expressions in these
different modes. Let me just give this as an illustration. Take your glasses
for a second, Mike. Tom, Mike’s really enjoyed these. We’re sure you will.
Want to try those? Do you like them?
Tom: I can almost see you.
Covey: You can almost see me? Try harder, Tom. Yeah. Wipe them
off. Clean up those lenses a little. Think positively, Tom. There’s nothing
wrong with this program that a positive attitude can’t correct. A little
better now?
Tom: Much better. Yeah.
Covey: That’s good. I understand your resume is also very current.
So we’re glad to know you’re going to come along with us, Tom.
You see, the problem is I never diagnosed Tom’s eyes. The optometrist
diagnosed Mike’s eyes before he wore the glasses, or he wouldn’t have worn
them. The whole key to human influence is first be influenced. So when
you get into involvement activity with other people, be very sincere and
just say, "These are our issues or our problems. Let’s discuss these."
And if you’re interrupted by a crisis, you may have to handle the crisis.
I don’t deny that quadrant 1 comes on you constantly. You have to deal
with quadrant 1. That’s where survival is. What I’m suggesting is that
in all my years working with this material I have hardly ever found a person
who does not have a lot of quadrant 3 and acknowledge it. I’m suggesting
that quadrant could be neglected and time put into quadrant 2, into the
leadership quadrant, and that could make all of the difference.
All it takes is one person to think win-win. If you’re with some dissident
or some negative individual, don’t worry about it. If that person is deep
into win-lose, stay with it. Think win-win. Seek first the interest of
the other. Always understand the other. Then once you get their confidence,
then seek to be understood.
I did arm wrestling on "Oprah" one time, and she held me here. I said,
"Oprah, why don’t we both win?" And she said, "No way!" I said, "Well,
let’s let you win again." You have to get their confidence. They have to
know that you are trustworthy. This is leadership. It’s the building of
the relationship of trustworthiness so that we can get into the spirit
of win-win. This is the spirit of abundance, see? The pie gets larger.
It’s not the spirit of competition and pushing against each other. That’s
so vital to the leadership function.
Yes, sir.
Michael R. Fancher, The Seattle Times: Our organization has used
the seven habits program for many years now — quite successfully. Something
like a thousand of our employees have been through the program. However,
we’re deeply troubled by the comments that you made in Honolulu. In the
spirit of seeking first to understand, could you help us understand that
better? Could you clarify your comments?
Covey: What I said in Honolulu was basically representing the
support of a traditional marriage. I wasn’t — as it was reported — against
gays or anyone else. It was totally in support of the traditional marriage,
which was the law of the land, and that’s what I gave my speech on.
Fancher: Can you place that in the context of habit 6 — synergize?
Because I know one of the things that you talk about in the program is
value and differences and so forth.
Covey: That’s right. I do value the differences. I have a gay
person in my own family. I love him. He’s my nephew. So it wasn’t against
that. I was totally in support of the traditional marriage of the mother
and the father raising the child, and I had just finished the family book,
and that’s what I was talking about.
Fancher: If I might follow up with one more question or observation.
One of the things that disturbed our organization is that since those comments
were reported, the response has come from your organization but not from
you personally — and I guess this helps to clarify what your intentions
were — but something more from you publicly might be very helpful for those
of us who would like to sustain …
Covey: All we are trying to say in our organization is that we
are an equal opportunity employment company and that we are trying to be
fair toward everybody. But some people are not happy with the idea of supporting
traditional marriage. I would say they should value the difference in my
opinion and other people’s opinion on that issue.
Tom Koenninger, The Columbian, Vancouver, Wash.: This is not
piling on, but this is a question I wanted to ask you ever since I was
in the audience in Portland, Ore., in November 1996, when you spoke of
being burned by the media. It goes back to the first habit — seek first
to understand and to be understood. It really goes to the heart of why
we are gathered here today, which is to rebuild trust and credibility with
our readership. But on that day, you said you had been burned by the media.
You told your audience of being in a gathering with newspaper editors and
publishers and likened it to being in a swamp. You said, "A good day for
the media is a bad day for everyone else." My question, sir, is has your
perspective changed since that day?
Covey: Let me ask you, Tom, to tell them what I said after you
mentioned that up there.
Koenninger: Let me follow through, yes. Thank you. To your credit,
you apologized for your hasty generalization and you came down from the
podium after I challenged you and talked to me personally and apologized
to me personally.
Covey: That’s right. I was overreacting and I apologized for
it in front of that entire group. So that is a full and fair representation.
Koenninger: Let me say we’ve used your programs for about 10
years, and as Mike Fancher has indicated, used them successfully.
Covey: Thank you. OK, now. I have one other film I want to show.
And this one really illustrates what happens when you do not do leadership
work and have institutionalized dependency. This is called "Max and Max."
One Max is a person. The other one is a dog. Both of them are treated the
same way by Mr. Harold, who is the boss of them both. I wanted to show
this to just try to stir up the desire to create a common vision and a
common value system inside the culture of an organization so you can empower
people more and more to take responsibility.
Now, I’m going to run out to catch a flight to see my daughter who is
just coming home. She’s been away for a year and a half.
But I wanted to show a positive example of leadership and then another
example, which is so common. You have to decide to which it is common inside
your own organization — the degree to which your own organization is dependent
upon you and the degree to which you have really empowered people and involved
them significantly and built relationships of respect and trust so that
you can create this kind of leadership culture.
Please watch this.
Thank you very much for the invitation.
Video presentation
(Video is interrupted.)
Jones: We’ll leave to your imagination the rest of that story
of a man and his dog. We will have some Cliff’s Notes for you, however,
as to how it ends.
You know, Dr. Covey asked me before his session, "What kind of questions
do you think I might get?" And I said, "I don’t know. ‘How to organize
your day?’ ‘How to rev up your staff in your staff meeting?’" I think that
was a fair representation!
But there are some handouts that will be available from his lecture.
I do appreciate Dr. Covey coming here and getting us started on these topics
involving leadership.
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